Dolors Feliu, president of the ANC: "The amnesty gives rise to independence, now it's time for another wave"

Dolors Feliu (Roda de Ter, 1964) sees the amnesty of the promoters of 1-O as a favorable opportunity to finish off the secession attempt that the State managed to abort in 2017.. Face the Diada with the aim of promoting another 1-O.

Are you satisfied with the amnesty? The amnesty has to be linked to independence, to the recognition of self-determination to achieve independence. Is it just a starting point? If the amnesty arrives it is because there is a change of principles that makes it possible for facts that were previously considered punishable are no longer punishable. If the amnesty is presented as a pardon, a pardon conditioned on the fact that events such as those of October 1 do not occur again, it is obviously of no use to us. Do they ask that the result of 1-O be recognized? The result and, indeed, the fact that Catalonia can access independence through a democratic and peaceful means. Validate the method. That there is a way by which the independence of Catalonia can be achieved in peace. What do the pro-independence parties have to do after obtaining the amnesty? It defends another immediate unilateral declaration of independence. Whether or not the Spanish State gives the amnesty this sense of recognition of the right to self-determination for independence, in Catalonia it must be understood this way. If 1-O is recognized, obviously the Parliament has to launch a sovereignty process that leads to independence. It could be the recognition of the declaration of independence by the same parliamentary majorities, organizing another referendum for independence taking advantage of the fact that now it will no longer be punished and that it is recognized that nothing happens or, if they do not dare, holding elections so that we can put the This process is underway. Would the result of these elections be interpreted as a mandate to declare independence? Yes, it should serve to initiate a process by the Parliament of Catalonia to make independence effective. Your first attempt at independence was not recognized by anyone, not even internationally. Is this recognition essential? It must be taken into account that the declaration of independence was not made effective by the Catalan nation itself, the Catalan State was not truly proclaimed with all the corresponding consequences and symbolisms.. Therefore, it was not recognized internationally because we were the first to not recognize ourselves as a State. Are they considering returning to 2017? We have 2017 as a symbolic and important reference point for exercising the right to self-determination, but we are deeply democratic and we understand that, at this time, a statement is required by our current democratic representatives to revalidate what was done then. Put the Parliament again to decide a path to independence once the illegality that the Spanish State created around 1-O has been undone. The amnesty gives us the opportunity to move towards the final achievement, towards the effectiveness of the independence of Catalonia. Would the amnesty validate the capacity of Catalonia to hold another unilateral referendum? Yes, this would be the idea. The amnesty to cover that up and never do it again is of no use to us, we do not agree. Don't you fear another 155? Since we did not achieve independence, we were still subject to the rules of the Spanish State. If we did it we would not be subject. Do you applaud the conditions that Carles Puigdemont set to invest Pedro Sánchez? All the points he raised seem relevant to us, but there has to be a link to later make independence effective. It seems relevant to us to stop repression in the past and in the future, to stop criminalizing the independence movement, but the governability of a Spanish State cannot be favored without this free governability being ensured for Catalonia.. We want the freedom to govern ourselves in our country. We want to achieve independence, whatever the Spanish State says. Will the Junts leaders be booed at the Diada demonstration now that, like ERC, they are negotiating with the Government? I believe that President Puigdemont has presented it in a way much tougher and has not in any way ruled out not holding the investiture, and has proposed the recognition of 1-O, and removing the terrorist label from the independence movement. Voters from all parties and abstentionists go to the demonstration and, therefore, it is an amalgamation of feelings and demands. Will it be a demonstration against Spain? Against Sánchez's investiture? It is not against anyone, it is for independence. The movement does not want to harm anyone. But we do not see it clear to facilitate the investiture. How can a Catalan opposed to independence celebrate the Diada? September 11 commemorates the loss of the rights of Catalonia in 1714. And the demand is to recover this freedom to make their own rules. To what do you attribute the sharp decline in participation suffered by the 9/11 demonstrations? If the independence project is more designed and closer, obviously participation increases. But we have to remember that it decreased with Covid, but last year there was already a very high one and it continues to be the largest sustained in Europe and that does not change. Do you have the feeling that there is a restart of the process after years without a tangible objective? We have a feeling of a new stage, but we are not starting from scratch. The process is like a pendulum. Now it's time for another wave of independence. If the pro-independence parties do not meet their expectations, will they go to the regional elections with their own candidacy? We are planning to promote a civic list to propose elections to achieve independence. Should President Aragonès finish the legislature? I believe that the president of Aragonès does not have independence on his agenda, but rather negotiates small advances that he considers relevant, but within the concessions that the Spanish State can make. If he does not carry out his commitment to complete independence, it would be advisable to go to elections.

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