He is one of the Andalusian socialist leaders with the most projection once Susana Díaz's stage is over and the one with the most territorial power in the autonomous community after the municipal elections in May.. Framed in the sector related to Sánchez that today controls Andalusian socialism, he is general secretary of the PSOE of Seville, one of the groups that has historically exercised the most influence at the federal level, as well as mayor of La Rinconada and president of the Provincial Council.

Will there be an amnesty law to satisfy Catalan separatism in the investiture negotiations? To begin with, it is worth not forgetting that we are now in Feijóo's time, although he acts more as an opposition than as a candidate for the investiture. He is disrespecting the Spanish people, his own party and the mandate of the Crown. That is, when he is not dedicated to promoting a kind of transfuguism in the search for support. And transfuguism is corruption. Okay. And, if an amnesty law is negotiated, what will be your position? The Socialist Party is exploring all possibilities to generate a government within the framework of the Constitution. We have talked about dialogue, we have talked about coexistence and we have talked about stability within the constitutional framework. But there are many leaders within the PSOE who are showing their concern about the possibility of an amnesty law and even about the possibility of negotiating an amnesty law. redefinition of a new asymmetric state of autonomies. Let's see, they are two different debates. The Andalusian PSOE has always said that in Andalusia we do not want to be more than anyone, but neither do we want to be less than anyone. That is to say, for us there are red lines when addressing issues that have to do with territorial equality and the rights and obligations established by the Constitution of all Spaniards, wherever they live.. That is the line that the general secretary of the PSOE of Andalusia has marked and we cannot, should not, and do not want to move from there.. Regarding the amnesty law, within the constitutional framework we can talk about everything. Are there no red lines with the amnesty, then? Our red lines are dialogue and coexistence. A president has the right and the obligation to try to achieve a climate of coexistence, a scenario of harmony among all Spaniards.. This is not about Puigdemont, but about seeking a global agreement of coexistence with a large part of Catalonia that must be encouraged to feel integrated.. What cannot be is that, when the PSOE speaks with the nationalist parties, then we destroy Spain, but, if it is the right that needs its support, then it refers to them as “patriotic peripheral nationalisms”. Not all criticism comes from the PP. There are some socialist leaders, some barons in office, who have positioned themselves against. Is there a risk of rupture in the Socialist Party? This is a very democratic party, the most democratic there is. Well, this week we have witnessed the expulsion of Nicolás Redondo Terreros. Look, this party has been subjected to some internal primary battles, with 200,000 militants throughout Spain. And during these processes we have split into two and three chunks but the match has never been broken.. Nicolás Redondo left the party before they kicked him out, because he had been in ideological political positions for some time that were the opposite of the positions of the Socialist Party.. Military in the PSOE demands two things: that one identifies ideologically with the majority of its postulates and also a minimum discipline and a minimum respect for the leaders whose turn it is at all times to direct the interests of an organization that has 144 years of existence. history.Felipe González remembers that Nicolás Redondo 'father' had staged a general strike and that it did not occur to him to take away his PSOE card. Was that a more plural PSOE? Times have changed for everyone. The Socialist Party of 144 years ago is not the Socialist Party of 30 years ago and it is not the Socialist Party of today. We have been evolving with the times. And the socialist leaders of the 80s also had to make very tough decisions for this country: industrial reconversion, entry into NATO. The change of opinion of those leaders about NATO raised a part of the organization that had a more pacifist profile. But there was a strong internal debate and the PSOE did not break. The PSOE is like Spain: it never breaks. We analyze, discuss and listen to our elders but we do not always agree with what they say. In any case, can expulsion be understood as a warning to sailors? Let's see, it is not the same. In the case of Nicolás Redondo, it rains in the wet. If you have participated in Isabel Díaz Ayuso rallies! The Socialist Party does not carry out internal purges. Now, when you are part of an organization, even if it is Cáritas or the school's AMPA, there are statutes to assume.. And we can also expect a minimum commitment to the ideology of that organization. The PP of Juanma Moreno seems willing to give warmth to the sociological heritage of Felipismo. Moreno Bonilla acts much more as president of the PP than as president of Andalusia.. In these five years he has put more effort into confrontation than into finding solutions to the community's major problems.. Juanma Moreno is a right-wing president and proposes right-wing policies. Nobody from the Socialist Party can identify with Moreno Bonilla's policies. And hearing him say that he was moved by a González rally in La Malagueta is the height of posturing. Well, it seems that it is working for him. Have you analyzed the Juanma Moreno phenomenon well? Look, we do the analysis by looking at ourselves. The PSOE, in the last general elections in Andalusia, with 1,450,000 votes, has shown that it has much more than electoral soil. There are a lot of people out there waiting for us and, when we are able to send a message of hope, those citizens look for the Socialist Party ballot, because they know that it is the party that best represents them.. Many citizens have been angry with the PSOE for a long time and Juanma Moreno has obviously known how to take advantage of that situation.. But people are beginning to realize that they have done nothing to improve their lives, because there are no employment plans, because the roads are a mess and because neither primary care nor health waiting lists are better today than five years ago. years. Managing is not taking the Next Generation funds and removing the logo of the Government and the EU to put that of the Board. The Andalusian PSOE has gone through a desert journey, and has also scored some own goals. But he has begun to rebuild his space and his project. Is Pedro Sánchez making it difficult for the Sanchistas? I say this because many socialist mayors believe that they have lost votes because of the national debate and not because of their management. Everything clearly affects, in one way or another. But he who has lost the elections in his town and looks for those responsible outside, that is a bad loser.. There are many towns in the province of Seville, such as Alcalá or Dos Hermanas, where we have grown up. Politics is increasingly complex and it is difficult to explain some issues. But Pedro Sánchez and the policies of his government are today the main asset of the Socialist Party. But it gives the impression that voting for the PSOE is giving a blank check to Pedro Sánchez, because his commitments during the duration of the electoral campaign. And I refer again to the territorial debate and the amnesty. Governing is very complicated and doing so with such a fragmented Parliament is even more complicated.. But sometimes you have to choose between a bad solution and an even worse one.. Does anyone think that Zapatero wanted to lower the salaries of civil servants by 5%? No. But we had to choose between that or letting Spain be intervened.. The question that must be asked is: Is Catalonia better today than 5 years ago? The independence movement is at its lowest levels in the history of Catalonia. But it has more capacity to influence decision-making. We will see about that. The Popular Party also had the opportunity to try to solve the territorial problem and did not do so.. The right continues to think that power belongs to it, like the anthem, the Constitution or the King. And that when the socialists govern it is a kind of anomaly. You represent the most powerful federation of the PSOE and, however, it gives the impression that the voice of the Andalusian PSOE has less strength today than ever, perhaps because of its alignment with the official speech of the party. The Andalusian PSOE has always been on the official line. The PSOE of Andalusia has always played as the backbone of the PSOE of Spain. The most loyal general secretary, most aligned with the federal theses and who has most consolidated the PSOE projects in Spain has been Manolo Chaves. And no one has questioned then the alignment that existed between the PSOE of Andalusia and the PSOE of Spain. People have the right to disagree, but also to agree. And we are convinced that the best thing that can happen to Spain is that there is a progressive government. That is also having your own voice. Is Juan Espadas' leadership in question? Not at all. He is the general secretary because he won democratic and legitimate primaries. And I think it has been gaining solvency and solidity.. The eight provincial secretaries have closed ranks around their leadership and around their speech on the equality of the territories. That flag is ours and we will never let it go because we believe in it. Why is Seville so far behind in essential infrastructure? Look, the SE-40 project, which is what Greater Seville has to articulate, had it the PP kept in a drawer for seven years. We are going to put pressure on the Government of Spain from the Socialist Party so that the deadlines are met. In the period 2028-2030 it should be complete. Investment in the Metro has also been unlocked, which would not have been possible without the Government of Spain. And we urgently need to develop new areas of logistical opportunity and a public housing plan that provides solutions for our young people. The Provincial Council of Seville has a budget of 535 million euros and we have to be able to change realities. Málaga has become a very powerful brand in attracting investments and projects. Is there something to learn from your model? Málaga and Seville have complementary projects because one has potentialities and singularities that the other does not have. I think that the Seville brand is very consolidated in the tourism field. The challenge is to project Seville's business brand. It must be shown that Seville is the best place to invest.